Here's the deal: there's this thing called "pulse width modulation," and under certain conditions it doesn't play well with rolling shutter cameras. Most of the time it's no problem, but we don't get phone calls from post when there's no problem. Here's how to avoid that phone call.
I recently shot a quick project for a major cell phone manufacturer and while lighting "phone in the hand" product shots with a somewhat uncommon LED light I discovered dozens of little roll bars in the image. The roll bars only appeared if the LED light was dimmed. I've written about this kind of roll bar issue here, but only when dealing with discharge sources powered by failing ballasts. There was nothing wrong with this light, it worked exactly as it was supposed to.
This rolling effect is the result of shooting a flickering light source with a rolling shutter camera. It's not something that can be fixed in post. I reproduced the effect later with my Nikon D7000, using the same light and shooting a test chart in my spare bathroom (the only light-tight place in my home during the day).
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Rob: | December, 16, 2011
What about using a slower shutter speed to give the camera more time to average each pixel? Just a wild guess.
Art Adams: | December, 16, 2011
That works… the question is, what shutter speed and at what dimmer setting? It’s possible that one shutter speed could be considered safe for a given light as, in theory, the pulses are changing duration but not frequency. The trick is (1) figuring out whether a specific light has an issue, and (2) testing to see what the frequency sweet spot is.
In the case of the project on which I used this light I ended up turning it up full and ND’ing it down, just to be safe. 1/50th seemed better than 1/60th but neither were perfect. I showed 1/60th in my test because that’s what I use most often when I’m shooting HD with a rolling shutter camera just in case there’s a light in the shot with a bad ballast. (This is good strategy when working with the rare HMI with a magnetic ballast, but I’ve also seen background lights like exit signs and retail store fluorescents roll like crazy at 1/48th.)
Making the shutter duration longer will make the roll bars longer, and in theory they will merge and disappear at some point. The question is whether they disappear at a point that’s usable for your scene.
Like I said in the article, there are only two lights I know of that do this and they aren’t terribly common. Still, it’s something to know about. Roll bars like this can look like electronic interference or maybe a monitor problem, so before replacing the monitor or chasing down a possible bad cable it’s worth looking around to see if there are any LED lights on the set that are dimmed and lighting a large area of the shot. That’s not the first place we’d ordinarily look to solve a problem like this—it’s not intuitive, but it’s a good thing to know about.
There are a lot of LED lights out there, and we honestly don’t know what half of them are doing spectrally, let alone electronically. If you have lights that you use that work great with rolling shutter cameras then you’re good to go because you would have noticed the issue by now. If you try out a new fixture, or some other LED device like one of the various brands of LED ribbons, it’s worth dimming them and taking a quick look just for peace of mind.
Neil: | December, 16, 2011
I have had this same problem while filming local school nativities. The school in question is using LED stage lighting and under certain lighting effects has caused loss of focus, terrible scrolling bars and shimmering images!
They prefer the LEDs due to less heat and less power and more flexibility when lighting a scene. Causes no end of problems for me. Hope a fix can be found.
I film with a Sony NXCAM-5
Art Adams: | December, 16, 2011
Wow, interesting. If they cause that much trouble they must be pretty cheap LEDs, as that level of engineering can only be intended to keep costs way down. I assume these are not designed for the film industry?
Chris Teague: | December, 24, 2011
I had what sounds like this exact issue while filming the screen of a new MacBook Pro with a Red One. I know the new MBPs have LED lit screens, and we were turning the brightness way down to keep it from blowing out. Full brightness seemed better, but assumed that was just because white was blown out.
We settled on something like a 198 degree shutter, but that didn’t completely fix it.
Art - does this sound like the same issue? I was totally surprised because I’ve never had this problem before.
Chris
Art Adams: | December, 25, 2011
That’s a new one on me. I’ve not had issues with LCD screens yet, so maybe I haven’t run into LED backlit panels.
I know we used to see this with global shutter cameras and Mac CRT monitors back in the day, but that was a different issue. It makes sense but I can’t say authoritatively. I’ve generally not had roll bar issues with LCD screens so this may be an interesting new complication for us.
David Hepburn: | March, 08, 2012
We run into this issue ALL THE TIME shooting weddings. I’ve also run into this with several stage set lighting setups. Sucks that there’s no consistent fix, but that we just have to test specific lights.
Art, do you know if there are specific manufacturers to stay away from and also good ones to choose?
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