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Canon HV40: a great inexpensive feeder deck for native Sony 3G HDV recordings

Canon may have never imagined how we may be using their HV40 camcorder...

By Allan Tépper | August 18, 2009

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Users of Sony's professional 3G HDV camcorders (including the HVR-S270, HVR-Z5, and HVR-Z7) and editors who receive footage from them may now consider purchasing a Canon HV40 camcorder to use as an inexpensive deck to feed footage to their NLE. The reason is that the Canon HV40 is quite inexpensive, is playback-compatible with the special native progressive modes available in the Sony 3G HDV camcorders, and even offers HDMI output. Although the Canon HV40 is not shaped like a desktop deck, it functions as such, and in many cases can save you over US$1200 over the lowest-cost compatible deck from Sony, which doesn't even offer an HDMI output. Many of our readers read my recent articles which explained how first Sony USA and then Sony Latin America began to offer a liberation upgrade, which adds PAL, 25p and 50i to the cameras originally sold as 60Hz-only models. Well here are all of the modes, as they correspond with the Canon HV40 models.

Playback of the 50Hz and 60Hz Canon HV40 camcorders


The Canon HV40 60Hz model (aka the "NTSC" model) can perfectly play tapes shot by Sony's 3G HDV camcorders in native 23.976p (aka "24p") and 29.97p (aka "30p") and deliver it natively via IEEE-1394. Although the same tapes can also be output by the Canon HV40 60Hz via HDMI, unfortunately it plays them with 2-3 or 2-2 pulldown over 59.94i... so if you are dealing with these types of footage, you are better off capturing natively via IEEE-1394. Also, the HV40 (60Hz) can also record in those same native progressive modes. Unlike Sony consumer HDV camcorders (which can play 60Hz material on a 50Hz model, and vice versa), The HV40 (60Hz) will reject any 25p or 50i footage if you try to play it back. However (at least at "press time"), no Sony consumer HDV camcorder can even playback any native progressive footage... so the Canon HV40 is still the logical choice for native progressive HDV playback.

The Canon HV40 50Hz model (aka the "PAL" model) can perfectly play tapes shot by Sony's 3G HDV camcorders in 25p native mode, in addition to 25p recorded over 50i, and 50i recordings. All of these can be output over HDMI as 50i. At least via IEEE-1394, the 25p native mode comes out as native. Unlike the 60Hz version of the HV40, the 50Hz version strangely can't record in any native mode. It can only record 25p over 50i, just like the Sony HVR-V1E and Sony HVR-V1P. However, at least it can play native 25p recordings from the Sony HVR-S270, HVR-Z5, and HVR-Z7. Unlike Sony consumer HDV camcorders (which allow playing 60Hz material on a 50Hz camera and vice versa), the 50Hz HV40 rejects any 60Hz-recorded tapes you may try to play in it. However, since to date no Sony consumer HDV devices can play any native HDV recordings, the Canon HV40 50Hz model still makes a lot of sense for this purpose.

Lineup of the lowest-cost options to play Sony HDV (3G) native recordings



  • The least expensive Sony device to play HDV native recordings is the HVR-M15A deck. The list price is US$2840, and B&H Photo's published selling price is US$2125. The HVR-M15A will play back all native and non-native 1080 HDV tapes, both 50Hz and 60Hz. However, it has no HDMI output at this price point.

  • For those who only need to play back native 23.976p and 29.97p native recordings (plus all those recorded over 59.94i), the 60Hz version of the Canon HV40 costs US$799 at B&H Photo.

  • For those who only need to play back native 25p (plus any 50i), the 50Hz Canon HV40 costs US$999 at B&H Photo.

  • For those who really need to play back everything (23.976p native, 25p native, 29.97p native, plus all 50i and 59.94i), the sum of both HV40 cameras (one 50Hz and one 60Hz) will cost US$1798 from B&H... still much lower than the Sony HVR-M15A.


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Burn-E: | August, 20, 2009

“The special native progressive modes available in the Sony 3G HDV camcorders” have been available for quite a while now, from Canon. These are the same modes that Canon calls “F” shooting modes or “Frame modes”. Canon introduced them first in 2006, then Sony picked them up, appropriately updating the HDV spec.

Older HV20 and HV30 models play “F” video—and, consequently, Native Progressive video from Sony—just as fine as the HV40, but could be found for much less that a new HV40 on eBay or craigslist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV#HDV_1080p

Allan T: | August, 20, 2009

Burn,
You are absolutely correct. Earlier consumer HV series cameras could also play back what Canon calls the “F” modes, which in the professional Canon HDV camcorders (at present) use an interlaced imager and then derive a progressive signal to record in the “24F”, “25F”, and “30F” modes. The Sony 3G HDV camcorders use a progressive sensor and then record it this way on the tape. The HV30 (60Hz) is the first consumer HDV model to offer this type 23.976p and 29.97p native progressive recording. My purpose of the article was to match current models with current models, but you are correct: The older models will also work for this. Also, I was hoping that the HV40 would support true progressive over HDMI, but unfortunately that didn’t happen as far as I can tell.

Allan T

Burn-E: | August, 20, 2009

If Sony and Canon are committed to development of HDV (it seems that Sony sees future in this technology, not sure about Canon), then it would be nice if these two companies aligned their logos and monikers for the recording modes they offer.

Despite interlaced sensors used in the Canon XL/XH models, video is recorded onto tape in true native progressive format and shows no interlace artifacts or cadence irregularities, while offering vertical resolution higher than of a single interlaced field. For all practical purposes, Canon’s “F” modes and Sony’s Native Progressive modes differ only in resolution, which is why I think that they should be treated as the same recording mode: 1080-line native progressive, this will help reducing confusion.

Sorry for the rant, no need to reply wink

DanConklin: | August, 21, 2009

Might be a good plan. I’ve already converted all my tape library to data on hard drives though, and stopped shooting on tape.

Neil Sadwelkar: | August, 25, 2009

We’ve been using camcorders as inexpensive expendable decks for film dailies capture (before film editing) for many years now. But dailies on DV are actually DVCam. So the camcorders had to be Sony.

Does anyone know if the HV40 can playback DVCam tapes? Or, if anyone has one, can you please try and confirm. DVCam playback would make the HV40 truly universal.

Pierre Carella: | September, 11, 2009

Je suis d

Allan T: | September, 11, 2009

Estimado señor Carella,

La HVR-M15 no puede leer estos modos nativamente progresivos de estas cámaras “3G” de Sony. Sólo las nuevas caseteras de Sony profesional (por ejemplo, la HVR-M15A) pueden leer estos modos. Gracias de todas formas por su comentario.

Allan T

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