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Thursday, September 10, 2009

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RED’s Blue Noise: Where It Went, and Other Color Anomalies You Should Know About

Art Adams | 09/10

What you didn’t know you didn’t know about color and the RED ONE

I don’t know for sure that RED is manipulating the blue channel to eliminate blue noise in Build 20. I have no proof.

All I’ve shown in this article is that I can make the color channels of a RED shot under daylight match those of a RED shot under tungsten light by mixing color channels together, and I’ve theorized that this may be how they are eliminating blue noise under tungsten conditions. The important thing is that somehow they did eliminate blue noise under tungsten light. That makes Build 20 a BIG DEAL(tm).

What’s not open for debate is that these tests show that the RED still has some serious color issues under tungsten light.

Let me be clear that I’m not slamming RED. I like RED. I use it a lot. It’s a fun camera. It has its problems, but so does every camera. The difference with RED is that its marketing has convinced thousands of people that this is the best camera ever made. It is not. It is the best 35mm-sized single-sensor camera you can get for $17,500. There are cameras that undeniably create prettier pictures than the RED, but they cost 10 times as much. That’s the RED’s strength.

My goal is to learn as much about how cameras work as I can, as that makes me a better cinematographer. I can play to each camera’s strengths and avoid their weaknesses, which results in prettier pictures and repeat clients. As RED is not as forthcoming about their product’s glitches as they are about its benefits, I’m filling in the gaps. And I have to say that I am a better DP for it, because I’ve learned more about how cameras work by watching RED solve problems with each successive software build.

I’m a big fan of Build 20. I’m still nervous about shooting the RED under pure tungsten light. If you wonder why, just look at any of the waveforms in the previous pages. The daylight waveform traces are narrow and strong, while the tungsten waveform traces are fuzzy and indistinct. That’s noise, and it makes me nervous. I’ll have to go through my tests and see if I can determine at what EI the RED’s noise under tungsten light matches the RED’s lack of noise under daylight, but that’s another article.

To sum up, I’m going to repeat what I’ve said several times before:

The RED ONE creates PRETTY pictures.

It does not create ACCURATE pictures.

That’s an important distinction. Most projects don’t call for accurate, and pretty goes a long way on its own.

What these tests tell me is that if I want brighter, more saturated and accurate colors out of the RED, I need to use 5600k-balanced light. If I shoot it under tungsten light I should expect less accurate and less saturated colors because there’s some green mixed into the blue channel and some red mixed into the green channel. This may be why colorists consistently say they take more time to grade RED footage than footage from any other high-end camera: under tungsten light it’s hard to get a pure color because all the colors are, to some extent, mixed together.

None of this is proving to be a significant problem for anyone who uses the RED on a daily basis. Unless you’re comparing it directly to another camera’s footage you’re probably not going to notice the difference. But there may be times when these color anomalies will cause problems. The more I know about how the camera responds to light and color, the easier I can dig myself out of a situation when these anomalies work against me.

This article started out as an exploration into how RED solved their blue-noise-under-tungsten-light problem. It turned into something much bigger. I hope it’s been educational. I don’t mean to make anyone’s brain hurt, so if this article is too complex then please let me know so that I can work on making future articles more accessible.

Art Adams is a director of photography who respects all colors equally. His web site is at www.artadams.net.

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Nice analysis! Good geeking, Art!

-mike

Posted by Mike Curtis  on  09/10  at  07:16 PM


Thanks for your hard work in exploring RED. The truth will out!

Posted by Rob  on  09/10  at  09:19 PM


Thanks, gentleman. Just trying to make the camera a little less of a mystery. It’s been a fascinating journey.

Posted by Art Adams  on  09/10  at  11:21 PM


This is an interesting article and finding. One thing comes immediately in mind. What about if you rolled back to build 18 or 16 and repeated the same test? That should yield some further information.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  09/11  at  01:56 PM


Great piece, Art. 

Of course it reminds me of why I love working in B&W;!

Jeff “wants a GRAY Camerz” Kreines

Posted by Jeff Kreines  on  09/11  at  02:15 PM


Such Chroma Matrix values can be very useful for compensating for the color of the light and the coloring of the subject. If they boosted the blue by adding some green then they may have needed to add some red to the green and green to the red to avoid the flesh tones from going magenta and make them more orange.

Fuji reduced the density of their masking layer in their 500 speed film when it first came out to reduce grain and improve the the ISO.

I have such chroma masking controls in my “freeish” 6K+ DI system’s color correction, its a download from my web site. It can be useful for improving RED TIFF frames or film scans from faded prints or color negatives, you subtract extra blue from the green and red, green from the red and blue, and red from the green and blue to get brighter cleaner colors, how much depends on the mixing in the frame being compensated, I have waveform monitors in the software to help with the adjustments.  So you could un-do the Build 20 mixing of the colors if you wanted to get brighter colors under tungsten lighting, and use my sharp/soft filter to blur the blue to reduce the blue noise, which I have tried on RED shots before to deal with underexposure of the blue sensors.

Posted by www.DANCAD3D.com  on  09/11  at  07:41 PM


Thanks, Art!  I’m getting ready to shoot RED with a lot of tungsten lights…
-Graham

Posted by Graham Futerfas  on  09/12  at  03:02 PM


You might do a test and see if there’s a lower EI that works better noise-wise for tungsten than for daylight. Monday I’ll go through my tests and see if I can figure that out. Tungsten just seems to be a lot noisier overall.

Can you use an 80D or 1/4 CTB filter?

Posted by Art Adams  on  09/12  at  03:35 PM


Hi Art—

Great article, can I ask for a bit of clarification?  Is this color mixing being done in the colorspace conversion (when interpreting bits as redspace or other), or is it baked into the raw data?

If it’s baked in (that is, not just a metadata setting), what’s to stop this color-bleed when shooting under 5600K light with a predominantly yellow-ish subject?  (In other words, if the camera detects and underexposed blue channel to perform this color-mashing, what happens when we want to underexpose the blue channel?)

Perhaps I’m not understanding… or perhaps this new build has some evil gotchas…?


Thanks for your time, and another great article.


Cheers,


Ryan

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  09/21  at  03:44 PM


I’ve since discovered that RED isn’t doing any color mixing at all. Not intentional, anyway. My theory was that they were doing this to reduce color noise, because who would consciously do it for any other reason?

One of my next two articles will show that it’s not color mixing at all. It’s cross-talk between blue and green under tungsten light, and it’s a sensor issue, not a software issue.

Posted by Art Adams  on  09/21  at  06:07 PM


Hm… well, I’m intrigued, and I’ll look forward to the next article—but I’m still confused about how the camera ‘knows’ it’s under tungsten light—I mean, it only sees reflected light, so how can it possibly distinguish between a 5600K source bouncing off a yellow subject, and a 3200K source reflecting off a whiter subject?

And if Red’s to be believed, it can’t possibly be a color temperature setting, since that’s only metadata… right?

...uh, right?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  09/21  at  07:12 PM


That’s what I tested: whether there was metadata being encoded that had an effect on the camera’s colorimetry that changed its response based on white balance. As best I can tell there isn’t—the color issues between tungsten and daylight are hardware related, not software.

Posted by Art Adams  on  09/21  at  07:24 PM


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