No comments here about something more important than sexiness. What about the “greenness” of packaging?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09/11 at 07:24 AM
Valid point Matt… I guess you could say I was hoping for baby steps first, and perhaps we’d evolve to Sexy + Green from there. 
-Matt Jeppsen
Posted by Matt Jeppsen on 09/11 at 07:42 PM
Personally, I don’t care for the packaging, styling or pricing of Apple hardware. It’s paying more for ego, status and superficiality - that’s Hollywood studio not indie and I hope indie gear makers avoid that like the plague.
Apple did not innovate nice manuals or boxes - that stuff costs extra money and money is generally what indies don’t have.
You are asking indie gear makers to simply make their stuff cost substantially more money - it’s not low cost to produce that stuff.
I don’t buy indie gear based on manuals etc. - if they can do it fine, but it’s never something I want to pay more for.
Indie is the DIY spirit. It’s about low-cost, substance, function, flexibility. Who care’s what your camera or other looks like? It’s the image it makes that matters.
Posted by stephen v2 on 09/11 at 08:02 PM
To be clear, my main argument is that delivering gear without a printed manual and poorly packaged is to deliver an incomplete product. “Packaging” doesn’t have to mean a complex origami structure around the product, it can be as simple as basic foam or airpaks, and a ziplock bag for all the screws and a printed instruction sheet.
Take a look at the Redrock follow focus image example above, that is really quite simple packaging. It doesn’t cost a lot of money or take a lot of time to make a printed instruction manual. Nor do you need tons of R&D;dollars to come up with a solid packaging and shipping solution. Yet these little things really do matter to me, and I have a feeling that they matter to others as well.
Thanks for reading,
-Matt Jeppsen
Posted by Matt Jeppsen on 09/12 at 09:09 AM
Keep in mind guys that in addition to turning out great gear for end users most valid indie gear manufacturers are running a business. I think that because you are “indie” doesn’t excuse you from sloppy business practices. Good business is good business, and like it or not both marketing and good branding are important aspects of business, and do not necessarily drive up the bottom line. good branding and business should increase a companies market share, and therefore profitability without passing that on to the end user. I am all about great gear and rock bottom prices BUT if bad business practices ultimately ship wreck companies then we all lose out. Lets face it a lot of the longevity of some of these practices as valid business models has yet to be proven, this digital revolution and indie market is very new. Companies need to make profit to do R&D;and provide support etc… As indies we can strive to do the same things more effectively than bigger companies but just because we are indie doesn’t excuse the oversight of those practices. I think thats more the angle Matt was addressing here. I for one agree that good business transcends whether a company is indie or not.
Posted by Kendal Miller on 09/12 at 10:50 AM
Matt,
I hear what you are saying but I think Red Rock Micro is not the price/performance leader in their market - they are on the high side (though they make do make nice stuff).
A business is a business to make a profit and 99% of the time, you don’t get stuff for free. If you want great boxes, manual etc. ultimately, you have to pay for them.
Posted by stephen v2 on 09/12 at 10:24 PM
hey
you have a good point on the packages!
i had a ARRI IIC, and it came with a metal-covered wooden box that held the camera, extra mag, rack for filters, etc—all neatly padded too
and the camera lasted a lot longer than if i had just stuck it in some generic box and hauled it around
$7000 camera
$200 box
yes, charge $7200
and people will say… my camera has lasted from 1960 to 1997…
why?
good camera…. (and good box protected the camera)
and when i got my sony hdr fx1, i bought a $200 case for it too..
and it has lasted ....!!!
Posted by billS on 09/14 at 07:21 AM