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Wednesday, February 24, 2010

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Final Cut Pro’s achilles heel or how I hate the reconnection dance

Scott Simmons | 02/24

From the Editblog archives: October 08

One way to lend a hand to FCP’s media management is with a new application from Digital Heaven called Loader that specifically address part of the problem. Loader allows the editor to drag media into the Loader interface and then Loader will copy (and in certain instances convert) the media to a designated media folder for that particular project, be it graphics, audio, etc. At first you might think that this workflow defeats the purpose of FCP being Quicktime based since you don’t want to have to make a copy of every piece of media you bring into FCP, that’s what Avid has to do after all, but this step that Loader takes is a crucial step to making FCP be much more organized in its media management. It puts part of the responsibility of good media management on the software and not the editor. While this may be a bad thing in some people’s minds, an app like Loader can help take even the experienced editor’s mind off the media management task if only for a minute. It’s a must have application if you use FCP, IMHO. But while it gets that media to a more centralized location and can make the reconnection dance a bit less time consuming Final Cut Pro still needs some type of database-based solution to always track its media. Project to project. Version to version. Editor to editor.

Ben at Buttonpusher.tv has posted his own tips and techniques for avoiding the reconnection dance. They are great ideas if you can plan to name the media drives with the same names and paths as those you are sharing the drives with. It may not be possible with permanent, networked drives at a facility but with a little pre-planning his advice is well worth the effort in the time it could save.

At its most simple implementation, a type of FCP project-based database could make the reconnection dance a thing of the past. But at its most advanced maybe it could be smart enough to make the attribute mismatches that often occur when you move clips from one drive to another a thing of the past as well. It could allow for more accurate media manager tasks and remove the stigma of the “media mangler.” And how about if it was smart enough to track all aspects of the timeline, specifically renders in the timeline so you could disable and enable clips and tracks without losing renders. This type of advanced media management would open the eyes of a whole generation of FCP editors who don’t know the joys of rock-solid media management. It’s sad that 6 versions into Final Cut Pro we don’t have something so useful. This new version of FCP, whatever it may be and whenever it may come needs to be a real doozy!

UPDATE: Things aren’t much better today with FCP version 7

Here we are today with version 7 of Final Cut Pro. There was some touted “Improved render management” in FCP 7 but nothing in the way of improved media management in general. If you’ve ever had to move media via the Finder you might have been faced with a File Attribute Mismatch error:

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This has plagued FCP for years. Sometimes it might be the Media Start and End that is an issue, sometimes it might be a Reel name. But it makes no sense when you are working with cloned media that, as an editor, you know for a fact is the exact same media that is on a different drive and you still get this error. It becomes even more disconcerting when you click Continue, connect the media and then get this message:

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That pretty much says that something in your edit might have changed. It’s usually fine and nothing will have adjusted unless you have used Merged clips, then all hell can break loose. They can cause problems. But it’s just incomprehensible that 7 versions and a decade into this product that we call Final Cut Pro that these error messages would even still exist. It’s possible to avoid these errors if you do your moving of a project from within FCP using the Media Manager as that process will reconnect the media internally in a new FCP project. But that’s not always possible, especially if you don’t have control over how the media is moved; say if you are sent a drive to complete and edit.

If you are using an exact duplicate of the media then these errors should not happen ... but they often do. This is the world that we live in.

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An Avid house here… one of my clients is trying to use FCP for callouts and rough cuts.  They called regarding their reconnect headaches - had to admit I couldn’t help much…

Posted by Bill Nelson  on  03/03  at  02:34 PM


Your article is a key example of the lack of effort Apple is putting in to Pro apps. 7 versions in and FCP is still lacking decent media management.

For comparison, when you digitize in iMovie, oh, let’s take iMovie version 1.0 for example, iMovie captures and collects all a project’s media into a project “package” that lets you drag EVERYTHING associated with that one project to an external drive for backup- with one click.

You touch on this when you mention Loader: “Loader allows the editor to drag media into the Loader interface and then Loader will copy (and in certain instances convert) the media to a designated media folder for that particular project, be it graphics, audio, etc.”

FCP has never had the ability to properly track when a user jumps between projects, and automatically ensure that newly captured / transferred footage ends up in the proper project folder. FCP just sucks at this.

I’m sure I’m not alone in wanting all my captured/rendered/ etc files to exist in a project folder for a particular client, not in subfolders under the Capture, Render, etc folders that reside at the root level of a drive. This is just another example of FCP’s “pile of dung” organization scheme on the hard drive.

FCP should see that I’m now in Project B and Project B’s scratch folder was folder B. Then when I go back to Project A, it knows to put timeline renders into Folder A. It should know. But has never been programmed to.

iMovie had this perfect organization from version 1.0. (It could also record voice-over directly into the timeline form version 1.0, but I digress).

It’s high time Apple give their Pro apps some user-requested feature & TLC, but with all their attention on iPhone, iPad, iTouch, iBookstore, iApps, & iTunes sales, I know there’s no point in waiting because it’s just not going to happen.

Posted by IEBA  on  03/04  at  01:50 PM


I think it would also help if FCP forced unique file names like Avid does while making its own contained scratch folder. I’m sure more third party software will come out that will help/solve a lot of these issues. I also find that FCP can be buggy, and just lose media connection on its own and won’t want to reconnect.

I had an audio file just go offline for absolutely now reason earlier this week. The song was in the primary projects folder, all my scratch disks were set right, been editing it for 2+ weeks, and no issues, and then it just went offline one day when I opened it up. I tried to reconnect and it wouldn’t let me! The “connect” button was greyed out permanently. I had to convert the file to a different format, and just replace the track all together. There was no way of reconnecting to it.

Maybe media management protocols in the software are way beyond what I know, but something as simple as keeping track of a single song track in the projects folder isn’t a lot to ask for…

Posted by Thomas Wong  on  03/06  at  08:26 AM


Hello

When we archive a final project, we transfer the project files, media, renders, etc. to multiple external hard drives (one for the client and one or two for us depending on the job)

Sometimes we need to make revisions to these archived projects and then I am forced to reconnect the files in FCP.

In Color however we are not always able to reconnect the files. In a lynda.com training video the instructor creates a disk image for the projects/renders because, “when files are moved out of this absolute path, media files become offline and Final Cut Pro roundtrips do not work as intended” (from the How To Use Exercise Files.rtf in the Ex_Files_Color15_Ess.zip.)

Would it be possible to use a similar convention of saving Final Cut Studio projects/media to a disk image on our RAID to be able to update archive projects more efficiently?

If we ran out of space on that disk image could we create a larger one with the same name and copy that info to it?

any help you could give would be great.

Best,

Richard

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